I found cattle 7.30 this morning after two days not seeing any .they were at the north side of the flooded gravel pit ,eastern end as I stood talking to one of the brown ones that appears to be carrying a calf the bull appeared from the undergrowth on the other side of the track I was on ,I just kept still ,he looked at me and just carried on walking I was about 4 mtrs from him ,the closest I have been yet ,the cattle then started to walk through the trees towards the south side of the gravel pit I followed and tried to get some sort of a count I managed to count over 50 then I lost it did not know what I had counted ,the one with the collar still seems to have a weepy eye did not see any other problems, 145 was there she appears to be ok now .I thought 4 number of the brown ones appear to be carrying calves ,I would think most of them were there. norman